Comments on: When Direction means nothing http://www.tehillamusic.com/2008/09/27/when-direction-means-nothing/ leading the church in worship through music and beyond... Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:49:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: David Lindner http://www.tehillamusic.com/2008/09/27/when-direction-means-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-25 David Lindner Thu, 02 Oct 2008 06:18:31 +0000 http://tehillamusic.com/?p=55#comment-25 Peter, I know exactly where you are. I've worked at two churches who were trying to both move forward and keep everyone happy at the same time. It just doesn't work. I don't really have any suggestions to offer you, as I wasn't really successful in either situation. I'd follow Fred's advice and read that book. If you need to talk to someone who's been there, I'd be happy to. Peter, I know exactly where you are. I’ve worked at two churches who were trying to both move forward and keep everyone happy at the same time. It just doesn’t work. I don’t really have any suggestions to offer you, as I wasn’t really successful in either situation. I’d follow Fred’s advice and read that book. If you need to talk to someone who’s been there, I’d be happy to.

]]> By: Ben http://www.tehillamusic.com/2008/09/27/when-direction-means-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-16 Ben Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:20:13 +0000 http://tehillamusic.com/?p=55#comment-16 Sad story. It really does boil down to the Sr. Pastor taking the responsibility given to him by God. I just read "It" by Craig Groeschel and found this a great read for such a topic. It's hard to lead a church when there are 40 other leaders. Take care Anonymous Sad story. It really does boil down to the Sr. Pastor taking the responsibility given to him by God.

I just read “It” by Craig Groeschel and found this a great read for such a topic.

It’s hard to lead a church when there are 40 other leaders.

Take care Anonymous

]]> By: Fred F. McKinnon http://www.tehillamusic.com/2008/09/27/when-direction-means-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-15 Fred F. McKinnon Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:02:06 +0000 http://tehillamusic.com/?p=55#comment-15 Anonymous - Please, you and your pastor should read "Who Stole My Church" by Gordon MacDonald! For the Kingdom, Fred McKinnon www.fredmckinnon.com www.theworshipcommunity.com Anonymous -

Please, you and your pastor should read “Who Stole My Church” by Gordon MacDonald!

For the Kingdom,
Fred McKinnon
http://www.fredmckinnon.com
http://www.theworshipcommunity.com

]]> By: Chris from Canada http://www.tehillamusic.com/2008/09/27/when-direction-means-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-14 Chris from Canada Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:30:45 +0000 http://tehillamusic.com/?p=55#comment-14 Great thoughts Mr. anonymous - I feel your pain. As a "typical" melancholy artist type I've generally been of the opinion that too much structure, too much direction, too much strategy will quickly lead to the church's death. Over the past 3 years my opinion on this has changed drastically, mostly because I'm part of a church that is (some would say) over the top in structure, direction in strategy. Is it how I would choose or prefer things to be? Probably not. Is it effective? Yes, yes, yes. We have a mission statement, a vision statement and a strategy philosophy - and you might think we're crazy for that but the beautiful thing is that they all work together for the sake of expanding the kingdom of God. And that is something I can definitely get behind! Great thoughts Mr. anonymous – I feel your pain.

As a “typical” melancholy artist type I’ve generally been of the opinion that too much structure, too much direction, too much strategy will quickly lead to the church’s death. Over the past 3 years my opinion on this has changed drastically, mostly because I’m part of a church that is (some would say) over the top in structure, direction in strategy.

Is it how I would choose or prefer things to be? Probably not. Is it effective? Yes, yes, yes.

We have a mission statement, a vision statement and a strategy philosophy – and you might think we’re crazy for that but the beautiful thing is that they all work together for the sake of expanding the kingdom of God. And that is something I can definitely get behind!

]]> By: Rich Kirkpatrick http://www.tehillamusic.com/2008/09/27/when-direction-means-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-13 Rich Kirkpatrick Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:51:49 +0000 http://tehillamusic.com/?p=55#comment-13 Peter... thank Mr. anonymous worship guy for actually writing this post. Peter… thank Mr. anonymous worship guy for actually writing this post.

]]> By: Peter Park http://www.tehillamusic.com/2008/09/27/when-direction-means-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-12 Peter Park Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:34:22 +0000 http://tehillamusic.com/?p=55#comment-12 Great Blog Rich. We are focused on a direction we want to go with culturally open worship. However, we do need to get together as a team and discuss things. Maybe it's time for us to fast and pray. Great Blog Rich. We are focused on a direction we want to go with culturally open worship. However, we do need to get together as a team and discuss things. Maybe it’s time for us to fast and pray.

]]> By: Rick http://www.tehillamusic.com/2008/09/27/when-direction-means-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-11 Rick Mon, 29 Sep 2008 04:37:01 +0000 http://tehillamusic.com/?p=55#comment-11 I went to a church like this for four years, and I just about tore my hair out with this exact same thinking. Although I wasn't a pastor, I considered myself a leader in the worship/music ministry. It just amazed me how critical decisions regarding music and worship could be made by people with no knowledge of either. I went to a church like this for four years, and I just about tore my hair out with this exact same thinking. Although I wasn’t a pastor, I considered myself a leader in the worship/music ministry. It just amazed me how critical decisions regarding music and worship could be made by people with no knowledge of either.

]]> By: Mike Dalton http://www.tehillamusic.com/2008/09/27/when-direction-means-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-7 Mike Dalton Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:34:32 +0000 http://tehillamusic.com/?p=55#comment-7 Sounds to me your church is in a place where so many are, and that sucks. It also sounds like they like the 40 or so people that show up and don't want a growing church, also sucks, It also sounds that there isn't much fruit growing there, which sucks the most. I will be praying for you and your church to find direction and for humility in all of this. Sounds to me your church is in a place where so many are, and that sucks. It also sounds like they like the 40 or so people that show up and don’t want a growing church, also sucks, It also sounds that there isn’t much fruit growing there, which sucks the most. I will be praying for you and your church to find direction and for humility in all of this.

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